The powder is growing on me in a carbine gas system. I haven't tried cfe blk or h110 yet, but lilgun and imr 4227 work good in my 14" AR. I wanted to see how light of a bullet that could be cycled, I run an 18 1/10 twist carbine gassed rifle, port size is .110 with a M16 Lmt enhanced BCG and a JP heavy/tungsten captured spring using the heaviest spring. If so, are you suggesting that there should be a direct correlation with how H110 will perform in 300BO and your example calibers/cartridges? I put .025 compression on the powder. Search: Cfe Blk Vs H110. It is likely bolt speed and compressed powder moving the bullet forward due to moving faster on an empty mag. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. 11.5 grn I could drop .5gr powder to lower the load to the minimum but I doubt it would then not deform the bullets. So yes..your starting load will be the bullet seating on top of powder. I actually drove to the city (Houston) this weekend and I picked up some powder. All Rights Reserved. driven every kind of rig that's ever been made, driven the backroads so I wouldn't get weighed. I am working with Lil' Gun right now working up loads for a new addition for me, 458 SOCOM. The 300 Blackout's .30 caliber bullet can be made especially long, and as the result may weigh up . Look at thread number 8---- 38.0 grs. I dont really shoot subs so Im sticking with H110/W296 for now for my 125 TNT and 147-150gr FMJs. 300BO was and still is the only rifle cartridge I've ever reloaded. Ill find out! H110 made sense to me since I load .357 sometimes. I use H110 for supers only. Rem 7 1/2 primer Accuracy in the inches at 50 yards. I thought Lil' Gun , while a great powder, was "known" as a throat burner powder.. running hotter then other choices. -300BlkTalk, 110 grain V-Max CFE BLK load data -300BlkTalk, For Better Bullet Seating Try Lapping Inside of Seating Stems Daily Bulletin, https://www.barnesbullets.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/300AACBlackoutV6ForWeb.pdf, 300 BLK suppressed AR Pistol subsonic reloading, Powder question for reloading 300 Blackout Subsonic. I wish I could go out back and chrono each bullet as I load them instead of having to drive far to get to a range. The S.A.A.M.I. I bought 2 pounds of this powder since it was all I could find. The difference in velocity between a 10" and 16" is minimal due to the efficency of the 300BO. I did not want the 18 to go super( ). Not quite 1680 loud, but considering the amount of snow on the ground to absorb the noise it was slightly obnoxious. Click "Get Data" to view results. You are using an out of date browser. 21.88, 22.08 Cookie Notice For supersonic or subsonic loads? For me this powder was very expensive fertilizer until I started getting the bullet down into the powder. It is just too loud for me and there are to many better choices. I'm also hearing that people are having good results with CFE BLK but according to the burn rate chart CFE BLK is even slower thank A1680. Starting in January, 2017, CFE BLK powder will be available in both one-pound (1-lb.) For subs I was again interested in flash suppression and noise. I need to drop some speed, these were cracking at 25 degrees. Zeroed it at 50. While the S.A.A.M.I.-recommended maximum overall cartridge length is 1.680 inches, my Marlin 1894 feeds 1.720-inch-long rounds without a hitch. Please note that I do not load subsonic. When we are sold out, we are sold out. It's interesting that Hodgdon shows 20g is max load, but Hornady shows 20.2g. This is compared with H110 at 52,800 PSI and IMR 4227 at 48,700 PSI. I have not used H110 in my blackout, but I have had very good luck with CFE BLK. Any updates on CFE BLK loads in the .500? For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. If I had more length he said the difference between the two powders would be more noticeable. I only load supers and use the 125 gr Nosler BT. 11.5 Grains 2.195 COL. 1063 Personally, I would go all the way down to the starting load and work up from there. 881 fps, 18 barrel carbine gas https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/406443/Screenshot_2019-05-14_at_6_52_41_AM-944706.png. Should look something like this data: S Slowbolt Registered Joined Mar 26, 2022 8 Posts Sierra Jacketed SP BC: 0.338 2.100" OAL SD: 0.226 Sugg Max StartingVelocity Pressure Load Velocity Pressure Powder Grains FPS Grains H110 Lil Gun . This is compared with H110 at 52,800 PSI and IMR 4227 at 48,700 PSI. When I talked to Hodgdon the guy thought the velocity spread would be on the smaller side because of the 7 barrel. Editor: You should go directly to the Hodgdon Reloading Data Center. 11.2 grn Some hunters speculated that it would sound the death knell for . 1064 I just dont want to pay the hazmat and more powder if I can make these work. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - CFE BLK vs. H110 for 300 AAC Blackout for Short Barrel ARs Posted: 9/2/2018 10:02:19 AM EDT Almost all loads for this powder call for it to be compressed, some quite a bit. Despite this huge disparity in pressure, muzzle velocity of the three is about the same (1,940, 1,971, and 1,899 FPS). It provides full function in modern sporting rifles throughout a range of bullet weights and is perfect for subsonic loads. Heres some data from today out of my buddys AR 300 Blk 16 barrel. I have compared it to IMR 4198, RL7, 1680, Norma 200, and Vit powders N110, N120, N130, N530 & N133. Classifieds 282 Gender:Male In this case, with 11.5 grains in the case, bullet seated on the powder, COL is 2.220. 11.2 gr. I love my H110 for supers with my 110g V-Max. I also have some 130's to load up. By the end of 2016, you should find complete load data for CFE BLK on the Hodgdon Reloading Data Center at www.HodgdonReloading.com. Hodgdons new CFE BLK (named after the .300 AAC Blackout cartridge) has a faster burn rate than the original CFE 223. While testing was limited, during the same range session I tried ladder loads with all 3 powders with the same brass, bullets and primers. Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. I just loaded at 22.5 and another at 22.0. I've loaded the 300Whisper's multiple leade angle chamber designed for the 220-240gr projectiles since it's inception 30+ years ago & to date. The same case holds 26.3 grains of CFE BLk. Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more. It is only fifty yards, I am quite sure at 100 I would measure it in feet. You may not reproduce original text or photos without advanced permission in writing. CFE Pistol is not a magnum pistol powder. 208 Hornady Amax hardcast loaded to 2.250". It's good for target or mid-range loads in magnums but it's faster burning than AA9, 2400, or H110/WW296, 4227 or Lil'gun. In all honesty I do not shoot enough 1680 as a sub powder to compare the two without loading and shooting them side by side. 300 Blackout vs. 350 Legend. A forum community dedicated to Ruger firearm owners and enthusiasts. Hodgdon reports the CFE BLK meters well, allowing reloaders to throw very consistent charges every time: This fine powder meters like a dream and leaves no copper residue, extending accuracy for longer shooting periods, and making clean-up quick and easy.. (ft/s) PRESSURE GRS. Shooters World SBR-SOCOM. I got like 5lbs of it for around $10-12/lb and its worked great for 125-150gr supers. vs 20.2. Right now my feeling is that this is a powder that needs to be compressed. One other tidbit is my last shot has continued to be an anomaly. I am also using 220 grain subsonic loads. A sub sonic load was louder than I am used to for a bolt action. Any thoughts on if it's worth the time and effort to try to work up a load with CFE BLK? Lil' Gun along with H110/W296 (same powder) and AA1680 are all great powders for 300BLK. It provides full function in modern sporting rifles throughout a range of bullet weights and is perfect for subsonic loads. More shooting will sort that out. Spent a little more time with CFE today, learning the quirks of the powder. Moderators:gds, bakerjw, renegade, bamachem, Post I always record where the bullet will touch the powder. I adjusted my die up in the press and its smoother but man its still marring the bullets with both seating stems. It will be a very good powder for carbine length systems and probably lighter bullets. alamo5000 I won't go into powers or practices as other, better men than I have already spoken however if you, or anyone here for that matter, need to order on line might I suggest Graf & Sons. It meters well, my Vintage RCBS powder measure was set up to throw 21.3 grains of 1680. I can try a couple with less powder but I cant imagine .5 gr less would stop the bullet from marring. Always let your loads stand for at least an hour and re measure the COL. Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. Obviously, the RPK can throw rounds much further, but not as accurate as a 7.6263 bullet. If Ive missed anything or something you think I should try ask and Ill see what I can come up with as a test. I use it for my magnum handgun loads so when I saw it gave good results in 300BO I started using it in that caliber too. Hodgdon H4198. Winchester 296 . 240 SMK by wildfowler Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:29 pm, Post I have read a variety of ballistic charts and reloading data. Not sure what weight you are using but I am using it in a 16" carbine length adjustable direct impinge gas system. Shooters World BUFFALO RIFLE. The group on the right of the pic below is much better than those numbers indicate. "Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans." . Everything I read suggested that more compression is better with this powder from an accuracy standpoint. Hodgdon Tite Group. I've tried Lil Gun for 300BOit seems to run hot. AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. I would look into SBR Socom. 300 AAC Blackout (7.62 x 35 mm) (300 BLK) 125 gr. Hodgdon data only shows IMR4227 loads. I have probably written it off as a short barrel/pistol gas powder. 1:13" barrel tho. Bill K. It is cross-compatible with 223 Rem/5.5645 magazines. Shooters World HEAVY PISTOL. This would be for either a 300gr SMK or 350gr Maker. I have used Win 296 (same as H110) with good results in subsonic 300 Blk using Sierra 220gr and Hornady 208gr Amax shot out of a 8.5" SBR with a can. Still a fair amount of gas. Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. We continue to prioritize our shipments to our traditional sales channels to maximize powder availability at retailers. Rem 7 1/2 N110: Similar to Hodgdon H110 and Winchester 296. NRA Life Member, but the GOA is who I support. averaging 3428 fps. check out the. Can be used in small rifle cartridges like the .22 Hornet and .30 Carbine. I use H110 under 110gr Vmax bullets and get 2100fps out of an 8.5 inch barrel . There is a possibility that the chronograph readings are not accurate. ES in the hundreds. A little more tuning on this load and it will be time to stretch it out. I like H110 under Barnes 110gr TAC-TX. You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers. I won 4# at a pistol match a while back. Still at 50 yards, back to the original powder charge of 11.2 grains. CFE BLK is a spherical (ball) powder. I have always had good luck with H110 and WW296 for that case . New Starline 300 Blackout Cases. In order to get a fair trial for powder burn, cleanliness and blow back. It woukd be hard to raise pressures to dangerous levels with this powder. After reading the threads posted I felt more comfortable compressing the load to the 2.050 COL. Both of those work very well. Hodgdon H110. It looks about like you would expect given the velocity spreads. But for sub-sonic loads I have found IMR 4227 under a Barry's 220gr and Accurate 1680 under a Maker 220gr REX work better and are quieter than than similar velocities with the same bullets driven by H110. Surprisingly they list Lil'Gun as their preferred powder and not H110 or W296. H110/W296 can give me more velocity with lighter bullet weights. Unfortunately, the majority of all 7.6239 cases are made of steel and feature a Berdan Primer. The left side group that is marked was the 8 barrel, unmarked 18. So far Hodgdon CFE BLK is the best powder for this round IMO. Im new to reloading and dont want to make a mistake. SWEDEN, 10MM Fenix FXP Ammunition 180gr Speer Gold Dot Gel Test, Underwood 10MM 150gr Nosler ? *Must have a registered ARFCOM account to win. It's exactly this velocity drop that caused folks to start looking at alternatives to the 5.56mm NATO projectiles. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. by 41Bear Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:44 am, Post AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. Improved Military Rifle IMR 4198. Rem 7 1/2 We place limited powder inventory for sale on a regular basis on our website. Next step for me is to load some like I think they should be loaded, instead of the given data. The first test was 25.0 grs. Moreover, CFE BLK is perfect for subsonic, reduced loads. I really think the answer seems to be 100-110% case fill to get reasonable spreads. The first thing I noticed when I opened a one pound jug was that it looked like they shorted me a half pound of powder. It was designed for the 9mm and the 40 but will work in the 10mm. 1063 Be safe. This is a modern smokeless powder suitable for a wide variety of popular cartridges. 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